Binky Boy or James Madison?

Binky Boy took issue with Bryan Fischer for quoting Benjamin Franklin’s call to prayer at the Constitutional Convention:

Below is a speech recorded by James Madison and

purported to have been made by Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional
Convention on June 28, 1787:

Binky Boy fires back:

The word purported is the single reason that this is not to be believed 100%. It’s unconfirmed, it’s not proof, and it easily could have been wrongly attributed, just like half of Ben Franklin’s “quotes”.

But Madison wrote it down and I don’t know of a serious historian who will challenge Madison. So the question is who do you believe on the Constiutional Convention, Madison or Binky Boy?

UPDATE

One other thing to look at is Dr. Franklin’s own view of God and religion:

Revolving this project in my mind, as to be undertaken hereafter, when my circumstances should afford me the necessary leisure, I put down from time to time, on pieces of paper, such thoughts as occurr’d to me respecting it. Most of these are lost; but I find one purporting to be the substance of an intended creed, containing, as I thought, the essentials of every known religion, and being free of every thing that might shock the professors of any religion. It is
express’d in these words, viz.:

“That there is one God, who made all things.
“That he governs the world by his providence.

“That he ought to be worshiped by adoration, prayer, and thanksgiving.
“But that the most acceptable service of God is doing good to man.
“That the soul is immortal.
“And that God will certainly reward virtue and punish vice either here or hereafter.”

Franklin’s deism was far more genial and respectful thing than that preached by folks like Binky Boy, Sam Harris, or Christopher Hitchens.

Finally, if you review the actual convention journals for June 28, 1787 in Farrands Records which are based original notes, you see the following note:

[Note 12: 12 Madison originally made an abstract of Franklin's speech in about 200 words. This was later stricken out--and this note made: "see opposite page & insert the speech of Doctr F in this place." On the opposite page under the heading "June 28, in convention" is the speech which is here given--but without Franklin's name.
Among the Franklin Papers in the Library of Congress is a copy of this speech differing hardly at all from the text except in more frequent use of capitals.]

So, again, Binky Boy can take his fight up with the curators of the Franklin papers, and Mr. Madison himself.

What is a Blogger?

This question created embarassing confusion for the Obama campaign, and doubtlessly will for several others. We discuss it on this morning’s podcast. (Hat Tip: Instapundit.)

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The Last Trackback Party

This will be the last trackback party with our current blog software. I’m going to skip the midweek Open Trackbacks Party for next week, so that we can pull off a good move to WordPress by Wednesday Night.

Thanks to Andrea, who is in the process of moving nearly 4000 posts to WordPress.com and hopefully once the weirdness is over, we’ll be able to hold a grand old open trackback party without the capecha, back here at Adam’s blog (and all the people say, “Yeah!”.)

First, the rules:

1) Post about anything that’s in good taste. No porn, no spam, no profanity.
2) Send me a trackback of any tasteful post you want and as soon as I check my blog, I’ll update this post with your link provided you link back to this thread. If your software won’t allow you to send trackbacks, just use the Wizbang Standalone Pinger.
3) Deadline is Sunday at 11:00 PM MT. Further trackbacks won’t be posted after that time.

For your convenience here’s today’s link. If you’re a registered user, the, trackback should appear below. If not, here’s the process:

Enter the characters as shown in the box and something like this should appear

This is a Trackback URL that’s good one time only so that we can seperate humans from spammer bots.

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The Florida Masochist:

John the Baptist
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The Knucklehead of the Day award
Today’s winner is Virginia Governor Timothy M. Kaine.

Conservative Cat:

Another Shutout Against the Predators, 69-0 for the Force
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The Knucklehead of the Day award
Today’s winner is Dr. K. Murugesan of Manaparai India.

Planck’s Constant:

Beer will turn Men into Women
scientists at Europe’s annual human reproduction conference suggested that the results of a recent analysis revealed the presence of female hormones in beer, and suggested that men should take a look at their beer consumption.

The World According to Carl:

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Another embarrasing faux pas on the part of the Democrats on Capitol Hill. It seems they just can’t tell the difference between American troops and Canadian troops. Or at least the webmasters in their employ can’t. Either way it reflects badly on t…

The Florida Masochist:

Gregorio Honasan
How about forcing Honasan to eat salisbury steak dressed only in his underwear in thirty degree temperatures. Don’t be sadistic TFM, right? Ok, I’ll just force the steak on Gregorio instead. That will be torture enough.

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Anibal Sanchez- Out for the year
23 years old and already needing to have his throwing arm operated on twice does not bode well for a long MLB career.

Open Trackbacks

Socialized Talk Radio

Truth and Hope Report Show Notes

Liberals plan to create more liberal talk radio because they can’t compete on their own. The end result of their efforts will only be the growth of Internet talk and the death of talk as a format on the FM dial. (hat tip: Wizbang Blog)

While, the Administration has not been able to deal with millions of illegals crossing the border, there were folks in the government who were pushing deportation against the wife of an MIA US Soldier.

Finally, Planned Parenthood is facing a lawsuit after a woman died at their clinics, marking the third death at a Planned Parenthood in the last four years. (Hat Tip: World Magazine Blog.)

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