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The Blogging Epic, Part One: Background

Posted by Adam Graham on December 3, 2005

This is probably not an utter first in the world of blogging responses, but its the first time I’ve seen it. Radical Russ via Pam’s House Blend has responded to some comment I left in his coments on his blog.

Six months ago, I would have posted my entire post in the Haloscan comments on Pam’s site where maybe Russ might have read it. Three months ago, I would probably have posted the whole thing in one post here, where most would have stopped reading as soon as they saw it was so long it’d choke a horse. So, what I’m doing is breaking it into little bite sized pieces for readers.

This first post will provide background on how exactly this came about. And when I get this done, you’ll be able to go from post to another.

Well it all started before Thanksgiving, Russ posted a brief response to what he described as “silly Christian spam.” Now, I’m not a huge fan of e-mail forwards myself. I’ve yet to meet anybody led to faith in Christ but an soliticited message in the inbox. To be fair, this has its counterpart with the leftist spam. I get it from liberal friends sometimes, and I just grunt and delete it.

At the end of the spam which sarcastically suggested that “In God We Trust” and should be taken out of the national motto, Russ wrote:

Though I have to agree with the sentiment of removing “In God We Trust” from the money and the Ten Commandments from the courthouses….

From such a little thing began this epic. I brought up a point in the comments:

How about changing the National Anthem. “The Star Spangled Banner” is our anthem, and not just the first verse. The fourth verse says:

O thus be it ever when free-men shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation;
Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land
Praise the Pow’r that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust!”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Of course, remember that the Star Spangled Banner was written about 20 + years after the Constitution, the Motto “In God We Trust” was added to the currency and that was my point. Russ responds by suggesting we should rip out the whole other three verses to cleanse our national anthem and then says:

Why is your brand of Christians so insecure about recognition of God that it seeks to stamp and impose God on every aspect of our secular government? Shouldn’t people come to religion from an inner need to seek truth, rather than the peer pressure of the money, your classmates, and the courthouses advertising for God?

A secular government does nothing to prevent the worship of your God, but a theocratic government will do great injury to the worship of any God but the state’s. Separation of church and state exists to protect the church, not the state.

Well, that got me fired up, I wrote back:

You seriously think money is being used coerce people to God?

Lets turn this around. Why is that your band of Atheists are so insecure they have to obsess about making sure every monument is scrubbed of religion, and that every inch of the public square from stem to stern is religion free. In most cases, there’s no talk of adding new mentions of God to the public sphere. Its simply defending the existing ones in most cases.

What if someone came to Boise and started a movement to rip out the Black History museum. Blacks wouldn’t be silent.

What the left suggests constantly is that God is a cancer that must be excised from our nation’s political life. God is a danger to our freedom. Yet, our money has existed for a century with “In God We Trust” and the term is in our National Anthem. (Whether you want it there or not.) Ten Commandments have stood since our nation’s founding. How could anyone whose a true Christian agree with such a damnable assumption?

Prayer happened in schools for nearly 2 centuries until the Supreme Court imposed a ban on school in prayer on a country that to this day after 40 years still doesn’t want it.

In essence, what we’re witnessing in America is tyranny of the minority, where you guys have gotten everything through cheating and next to nothing through the democratic political process. So, you basically spend 40 years shoving stuff down people’s throats and have the audacity to ask why we’re not more happy about it. All we’re wanting back is what has been taken illegitimately.

People can come to God however they want. I know the state can’t make people come to Jesus, or even preach it. Given the state’s lack of competence in teaching other topics, I’ve concluded the result of trying to have the government teach Christianity would be massive conversions to Buddhism. (please don’t analyze this too deeply as its a joke.)

I also think a government that reminded that there’s a God and we are not Him we’ll govern better, will be more condusive to freedom. The Communists didn’t know this. The Swedes don’t know this and they tried to send a minister to jail for preaching against homosexuality. In Sweden, they in fact govern exactly what names you can give your children.

You see, without the recognition of God’s sovereignty, our rights are reduced to grants by the government, subject to change and Amendment by a Supreme Court that views the Constitution as their etcha-sketch.

The difference between us is that you see the greatest danger as the state acknowledging God in any way whatsover. I see the greatest danger as the state making itself God.

Well, Russ complimented the piece and posted over at the House Blend, which you can visit at your own peril. Its kind of like “The Cantina” from Star Wars. Its a rough joint that I rarely venture over to. The only thing that brings me there is if Technorati tells me I’ve been mentioned.

Anyway, Russ starts off with a few gracious comments about me. Russ in person is a very socialable person who can be very respectful and polite. He cracked me up when we went and looked at the UN Declaration of Human Rights on six slanted tablets and said that it reminded him of “all Six Star Wars movies.” He’s got a good sense of humor.

We have a lot in common surprisingly. We both grew up spending a lot of time on the road, both moved West to find better work and more opportunites, and both have been active in local groups. He’s my favorite liberal and only the liberal blog to gain a link on my Blog Log.

Politically the difference between us is like night and day and the issues in this debate are so fundamental to understanding that difference.



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