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Prosecuting Thought

Posted by Adam Graham on May 9, 2007

The Mountain Goat Report has gone form attacking Bill Sali’s decision to oppose any legislation that a large majority of Congress supports (Mountain Goat Report: 350 Members of Congress Can Never Be Wrong.) to responding on the issue, regarding hate crimes Mountain Goat Report writes:

While it it true that any crime against any person, minority or otherwise, is important, there is a difference between a guy that randomly picks a family and ultimately murders four [Sali’s account of the Groene case omits one of the victims] in the kidnapping of two kids and the murder of someone because he’s black or perceived to be gay. Both cases are heinous and share a violent motivation but it’s the character of the motivation that’s important…

Hate Crime legislation is saying to those who would practice this form of domestic “minority terrorism” that we abhor both your physical actions and the terroristic motivation behind them. Congressman Sali’s position ignores that.

In other words, it’s the thought that counts and it’s the thought that should be prosecuted, and it’s any thought in opposition to homosexuality that is suppressed. Don’t believe me? Go to Canada and speak against Homosexuality and you’ll get dragged before the Human Rights Commission. Jerry Falwell has to edit his show for it to appear on airwaves in Canada. The result of hate crimes bills is that the state invariably gets into the business of punishing people for what they say, not because they’re inciting violence against homosexuals, but because it can be taken that way. Dangerous stuff, that. Sali was right.

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4 Responses to “Prosecuting Thought”

  1. Adam, you left out the most important part of the argument. Insert this between the two paragraphs of my post that you quoted:

    “In the former case, the motivation is nearly always directed solely in the direction of the individual victim. In the latter case, the motivation is in part directed toward the victim, but is also a statement of belief on the part of the killer to a wider audience: one that says, “all of you who fit this profile are at risk.” The lynching of a black man, hanging him from a tree, or burning him alive, or tying him to the back of a truck and driving around town until all of the pieces of his body are ripped off of him and scattered around town like a bloody bread trail is meant to intimidate everyone within the victims category group.”

    “To pretend that this kind of violence and intimidation—the kind that casts a wide net of fear—doesn’t exist is folly.”

    Also, let’s don’t try to make the argument into something it’s not. It’s just silly to infer from my post that “any thought in opposition to homosexuality” should be suppressed.

    Finally, I will still be posting any of Sali’s votes that continue to be way outside the mainstream of the GOP. I know how much you enjoy them. :)

  2. Adam Graham [Member] said

    Well, first of all, that’s an argument you quote from Daily Kos. Not your own and it really is an absurdity. The crime against the person is what we punish, not some perceived crime of intimidating victims.

    The second point, it is absolutely not silly to suggest that hate crimes legilsation leads to punishment of opposition to homosexuality. It is the case in country after country all over the world, and it is the ultimate agenda of radical left leadership.

  3. First, yeah sometimes when someone makes a great, easy-to-understand point, I’ll quote them.

    Second Adam, you and I both know that any current or proposed hate crimes legislation does not criminalize thoughts or speech. It only criminalizes violent acts. This new act would not prohibit any lawful expression of anyone’s religious beliefs, even though those comments may be hurtful to some.

    This “thought police” argument is just absurd and desperate.

  4. Adam Graham [Member] said

    You and I both know that violent acts are already illegal and that you go around the world, time and time again the result of these hate crimes laws has been laws against speech. Violence is illegal, thought isn’t and that should be the way it stays.

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