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Binky Boy or James Madison?

Posted by Adam Graham on June 22, 2007

Binky Boy took issue with Bryan Fischer for quoting Benjamin Franklin’s call to prayer at the Constitutional Convention:

Below is a speech recorded by James Madison and

purported to have been made by Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional
Convention on June 28, 1787:

Binky Boy fires back:

The word purported is the single reason that this is not to be believed 100%. It’s unconfirmed, it’s not proof, and it easily could have been wrongly attributed, just like half of Ben Franklin’s “quotes”.

But Madison wrote it down and I don’t know of a serious historian who will challenge Madison. So the question is who do you believe on the Constiutional Convention, Madison or Binky Boy?

UPDATE

One other thing to look at is Dr. Franklin’s own view of God and religion:

Revolving this project in my mind, as to be undertaken hereafter, when my circumstances should afford me the necessary leisure, I put down from time to time, on pieces of paper, such thoughts as occurr’d to me respecting it. Most of these are lost; but I find one purporting to be the substance of an intended creed, containing, as I thought, the essentials of every known religion, and being free of every thing that might shock the professors of any religion. It is
express’d in these words, viz.:

“That there is one God, who made all things.
“That he governs the world by his providence.

“That he ought to be worshiped by adoration, prayer, and thanksgiving.
“But that the most acceptable service of God is doing good to man.
“That the soul is immortal.
“And that God will certainly reward virtue and punish vice either here or hereafter.”

Franklin’s deism was far more genial and respectful thing than that preached by folks like Binky Boy, Sam Harris, or Christopher Hitchens.

Finally, if you review the actual convention journals for June 28, 1787 in Farrands Records which are based original notes, you see the following note:

[Note 12: 12 Madison originally made an abstract of Franklin’s speech in about 200 words. This was later stricken out–and this note made: “see opposite page & insert the speech of Doctr F in this place.” On the opposite page under the heading “June 28, in convention” is the speech which is here given–but without Franklin’s name.
Among the Franklin Papers in the Library of Congress is a copy of this speech differing hardly at all from the text except in more frequent use of capitals.]

So, again, Binky Boy can take his fight up with the curators of the Franklin papers, and Mr. Madison himself.

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